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I keep researcher, he spent a lot of years researching UFOs or unidentified flying objects.

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Would you please welcome Mr. Peter Nuker.

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Good morning to you.

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That's one way to say it.

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Now that I'm a weak, we can talk.

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Peter, one of the things that we found out before the show, which I find fascinating,

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about you as a person who is so much into UFOs, is the fact that you have never seen

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one.

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Is that correct?

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Right, never seen one.

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Well, because at my end I have to be twice as careful, you know, before I say it's a

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UFO.

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I think of about a thousand explanations why it isn't even a problem.

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It might have been.

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Well, the next logical question for you then is do you believe in them?

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Absolutely.

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I think for some of you, I think that's a good question.

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Well, the next logical question for you then is do you believe in them?

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Absolutely.

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I think for science generally or for people to dismiss UFOs is the same reasoning a person

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would dismiss a recurring dream.

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It's going to keep on coming until we finally learn what it's all about or what it's for.

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But now, you mentioned earlier that what you're interested in now is not so much finding

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out about just deciding themselves as about the people who see them.

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Yeah, well, the witnesses sometimes are more important than the UFOs, as I consider UFOs

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to be a projection of something else.

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For example, witnesses, whether they see a UFO or not depends often on what kind of a

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last name they have.

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The blood type is possibly related.

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I'll be right there now.

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That sounds crazy to me.

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The last name that they have, what does that mean with regard to UFO sightings?

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The best way I can explain that, for example, on March 30th, because Canada has been going

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under a lot of UFO activity this year, on March 30th there was a UFO sighting in Slave

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Lake, Alberta.

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Okay, now at the time, by coincidence, there was a contactee, get on a lecture tour at

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the time, whose name was Major Ajo.

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Now, by strange coincidence, this is an unusual name.

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There are not too many people with the name of Ajo in the world, you know?

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But what happened on May 30th, curiously enough, the greatest Canadian mining expert,

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as far as the Yukon was concerned, who started Yukon mining all on his own, he died on May

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30th, and the Yukon is undergoing quite a bit of UFO activity at this time, and his

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name was Ajo, and he died on May 30th.

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You see, there's a connection here, possibly.

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So, these are the species that somehow alien being select out to impacts of people?

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Yeah, because even contactees are selected.

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What other selection process, a straight and unusual name, any other type?

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Blood type.

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For example, most contactees are of RH negative, and most contactees have Indian and Gypsy heritage

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quite often in their background, somewhere along the lines.

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That all has to be related to the process as a whole.

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Well, your last name is an unusual one, Yuker.

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Yeah.

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Well, I haven't seen one, but I'm in it.

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Any day is going to happen.

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Any day.

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So, we have blood type, we have unusual last names, so when you document or research a

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UFO sighting, I suppose one of the first things you want to do is find out a blood type, find

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out the spelling of the last name, and that sort of thing.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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For example, a last name could sometimes be related to, you'll find it, the meaning of

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the last name in a mythological dictionary, which might explain a connection.

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For example, an area in Ontario that gets a lot of UFO sightings is, or landings, is an

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area called Maydock.

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Well, curiously enough, and what got me curious was there was a poem written in the 1800s by

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a British poet about the serpent mounds in the Ohio Valley, and the name of the poem was

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Maydock, and the serpent in UFO, they've been connected by every writer and UFO researcher

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since we started in there.

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And so, you see, there's a connection to names here somewhere.

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They play games.

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Hmm.

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You've got some sketches here that you made up.

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Maybe we could show.

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Oh, okay.

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I'm just assuming what these are.

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You mentioned earlier that you did not bring photographs, probably because they're so easy

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Yeah, people don't expect photographs.

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Any way that we're in that, it would jam through one of the cameras over here.

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We want to look at one, two, and three.

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These are from actual sightings.

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Yeah, these are from contactee sightings that people had, and from contactees that have

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undergone hypnosis and lie detector tests and the usual studies that go along with it.

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Now, they're all three different.

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Now, this is the problem.

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You see, oh, now we've got three contactees here.

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All three of them are different.

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Now, the first reaction is to say, well, they're all telling a terrible story because none

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of these people are the same.

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They can't be that many different races playing around.

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So, but rather than that, I think the answer lies in considering the UFO occupant or entities,

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probably a better way to use, as a projection of something else.

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Maybe the UFO identity was created by something else in the background.

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Now, what does that mean, though?

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Well, it's a projection of something else.

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What's the other thing?

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Something else.

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For example, in parapsychology, for example, people that study haunted houses or mediums

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that go into haunted houses, they'll tell you they'll get a history of the house off the

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wall because the wall is supposed to absorb the personality of the people that live in

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Well, it's quite possible that somehow this is a clue to perhaps how the UFO occupants

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get created.

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But in other words, people see their vision of UFOs.

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Right.

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Their fears, if they're afraid of them, they see a fearful creature.

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Yeah, because you see these drawings or the description of these people shows another area.

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For example, one kidnapping has never produced a phenomena of a breathing problem.

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You see, we stuck me as curious because of all these different descriptions of people.

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They can't all be, you know, they all don't show any problems.

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And the earth people that allegedly kidnapped don't show any problems breathing above a

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UFO.

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I see some people that have made these drawings from their memory of the extraterrestrial

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being that they encountered.

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They were all fairly healthy individuals as far as their respiratory systems were concerned.

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And you're sort of leading us to think that perhaps the beings kidnapped them to study

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their breathing system and how they existed on earth.

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Is that what you're saying?

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No, what I'm getting at is that perhaps the UFO itself is only a temporary thing.

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An hallucination in this area.

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That may to look solid.

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You see, maybe they weren't on a UFO to begin with.

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It just may to look like a UFO.

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Because all these different creatures seem to get along with the same type of atmosphere

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that the people do that got kidnapped.

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If they were really sitting from outer space, they wouldn't be able to breathe our atmosphere.

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Right, that's what I'm suggesting.

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They're the problem.

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Do you see it now as, is this general case accepted in...

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Not yet.

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No.

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Not yet.

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I'm not writing on dangerous territory.

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Much closer to a hallucination, but you would say it's an hallucination that's caused

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by alien beings.

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Yeah, for example, some of the best sellers have been, for example, the teachings of Don

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Juan by Carlos Castaneda.

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Now, you can find every UFO description you've ever heard in Carlos Castaneda's books, which

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is a completely different area, but I think that's where the answer is going to be found.

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Well, you know, speaking of the answer being found, I'm getting...

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Well, you're coming at UFOs from an entirely different perspective than I think I'm accustomed

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to, or that I'm accustomed to, that I think most of the audience out there is accustomed

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to, which is aliens from other parts of the galaxy and the universe.

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And you're saying that perhaps as we get to know man and sort of man's parapsychological

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character a little more, that we're going to understand that UFOs are just simply a projection

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of a human being as opposed to any extraterrestrial sort of phenomena.

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But cars are in.

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Both.

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Both.

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They're both involved.

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I prefer...

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You see, on UFOs, I prefer the interdimensional theory, which to me is the most logical.

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I don't see how you can get out of it, because, for example, there are UFO landing sites.

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But strangely enough, the landing sites are rather strange.

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They happen at the same places where there's usually water, swamp, which is actually almost

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like animal behavior too, like UFOs that follow airplanes or animals do that.

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See, they all follow ships all over the world.

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We're going to give you a chance to talk about this a bit more.

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We're also going to give you a chance to call in and ask some questions.

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You can call in.

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The number is 223-515-0.

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So we'll be right back.

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Stay with us.

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I'll put the phone down.

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Peter Uker, who was the editor of the Canadian Psychic Researcher magazine that, among other

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things, investigates UFOs and UFO sightings, has got a question for you.

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Mr. Uker, I'd like to ask you how you check out a sighting when you hear of a report.

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Well, as much as I'd like to, I'm going to be very honest with you.

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It's not possible to check all sightings out personally.

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It's literally impossible.

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And one of the drawbacks to it is that the UFO does never wait for you to get there.

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By the time you get there, it's probably a Kalamazoo or something.

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That's why you have to concentrate on the witness.

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And of course, you look for landing traces of deaths involved.

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It's a potential kind of a sighting, but usually when they say, well, just the light in the sky,

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there isn't really much more you can do with it.

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You pretty well leave it just the way it is.

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What are you going to do with it?

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Do you give any lighting tests, yes?

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Oh, yes. When the stories get that deep, you have to.

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What is, you know, when you talk about sightings, what is a story that you, perhaps,

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the most convincing in your experience that UFOs...

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Either way, the personal, for example, that convinces you more than any other story that you've heard,

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that there is real credibility in UFOs.

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Well, of course, the one that stands out all the time is the Betty and Barney Hill one.

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And of course, the new one with the three ladies in Kentucky is, I think, it's just as valid.

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But, for example, I don't believe the Travis Walton story.

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I mean, what happened to the three ladies in Kentucky?

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Well, they were driving along and then they started studying strange things,

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and, you know, then the car started behaving strangely, and they lost time.

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That's how usually only it's remembered is because they lost time.

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And were they still off the stories?

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Oh, yeah, they all matched, and all three supply detected tests, hypnosis, and the stories all matched.

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I think it's just as valid as the Betty and Barney Hill.

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Let's take a question. Good morning. You're on the air.

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Good morning. I was wondering if your guest was familiar with the book called Missionaries Extraordinaire.

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Yes, I am.

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You are. What did you think of the way that they seem to explain whether this UFOs are logical in their sense and their explanation?

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You're talking about Bow and Peep, right?

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Yes.

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Yeah, and I don't believe them.

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I wonder about that.

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Because I tell you why. What they say you can find in a novel called Flutterhouse 5.

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All right, we have another question for you.

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Okay, Mr. Yooker, you're thinking why are there so many studies in the Northwest in any other part of the country?

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Not really. Actually, the heaviest place is West Virginia.

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I'm sorry about that.

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I have to say that I asked that young lady.

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So I'm guilty.

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Well, the reason is that they used to be a lot of sightings in the Northwest.

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Yes.

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There used to be a lot up here.

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Does this mean that there is some kind of meeting ground for UFOs?

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They sort of huddle here and then fly up elsewhere?

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Oh, yeah.

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There are places where they show up just about all the time, like Warminster, England.

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If a visitor goes over to England, they should go to Warminster because of your chances of seeing a UFO.

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It's unbelievable.

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They're about almost 99% sure of seeing one in Warminster, England, which is the highest activity in the world.

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But Washington State, by the way, you deserve congratulations.

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This is the 30th anniversary of the modern UFO in two days.

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We should go out and celebrate.

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But whether UFOs are on the Washington also depends on the weather because I think they do affect the weather.

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For example, I think Canada is getting high UFO activity right now because this is where the weather patterns are.

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So if you start getting drought in certain places or flooding in other places, it's possible that the UFO is connected to a certain degree to it.

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Good morning, here on the air.

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Yes, I have some friends that are into astro travel where they can go from one place to another, not physically, but in their mind.

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And they have friends perceived in there.

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Now I was wondering if, as far as UFOs, is your interdimensional idea that you were talking about, if they might not be doing the same thing?

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Actually, not being there, but just being perceived.

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That's quite possible.

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For example, you can probably, the way to attack what you're suggesting is to say that what's the purpose of evolution, if by chance the purpose of evolution,

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the ultimate development of evolution is where man becomes pure energy, then should you become pure energy, then you can turn into any shape that you want to.

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Another question from the audience, Fort.

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Is there any evidence that there's been a government or military cover-up of UFOs?

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I don't push that very much.

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Because if the major scientists of the world don't understand it, how the government is going to understand it, I'll never know.

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What about the air force, for example, in I forget, I think it was sometime in the 60s, early 60s, they canceled Project Blue Book,

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which was the way they had documented and kept track of all UFO sightings.

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Did you see that shutting off a Project Blue Book as an effort on the part of the air force to sort of cover up?

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No, I don't think the air force really knows anything.

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If anybody knows anything about UFOs, believe it or not, it's the U.S. Navy, because they do UFO research.

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The air force doesn't.

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Okay, let's take another question. Good morning, you're on the air.

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Yes, I'd like to know if there's anything one can do to make one's life more receptive to sighting the UFO.

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Absolutely, but that's going to take me too long on the air. If you can call me privately, I'll tell you about it.

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Could you give us a hint?

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No, because it has to do, for example, the best day of the week to see a UFO is a Wednesday.

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The best time to see one is 10 p.m. and the closer to the 24th of the month, the better.

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And also, depending on what you learn about UFOs, you increase your chances of seeing a UFO.

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And like I said, it also depends on your last name.

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Have you ever tried your own technique, so you don't want to see one.

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I don't have time.

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Is the weather now partly, what you said earlier, in conjunction with all the sightings there's been having around the United States and the world?

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Let me follow you. Do I think all of them are connected to the weather?

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No, I mean the droughts and the bad winter, they have them.

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There's a possible connection to it, very much so.

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I mean, were there any?

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You see, what I'm saying is, for example, if there's a drought in, well, just for example, a drought in California,

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I'm not saying that the UFOs are going to show up in California.

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They might be two states away, or they might be further away because the weather patterns, you know, they take up, you know, they don't just stay solidly over one area.

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Well, what kind of evidence do you have because you see UFOs where there's strange weather or...

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Well, okay, the best way to do it is you'll see books on the market written by Wilhelm Reich.

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And I'm a friend believer in Reich, and I think there's a lot of evidence to show that it worked.

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And he's somebody else's gathered evidence that's been found in the data?

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Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Peter, there's one thing I wanted to ask you about.

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Maybe you folks remember this about, what's it about?

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A year and a half, two years ago, a strange chrome ball or silver ball fell out of the sky someplace.

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And newspapers all across the country carried accounts of this thing that seemed to be able to move on its own. It would roll.

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Oh, yeah.

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And all of a sudden, we didn't hear anything about it for a while.

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We haven't heard anything about that particular thing since.

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Have you done any follow-up?

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You won't be able to find anything else about it.

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I don't know. You see, you think it's happened all through history.

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For example, somebody finds a steel screw in an old coal bed.

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You see, now you'll see the screw photographed or put in the newspaper for one issue,

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and then all of a sudden the article disappears, the screw disappears,

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all the evidence is gone, it's like it never existed.

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I think somebody makes sure along the line that certain things just naturally sort of disappear on the side.

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I think there's somebody that makes sure of that.

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But what happened to this particular thing? Do you have any idea?

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Who knows? I really don't know. I'm going to be very honest with you.

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I don't know because I've never been able to see anything else on it.

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Well, you mentioned before that we don't believe all of sightings.

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What percentage do you think are valid?

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Well, for example, I can just take down the average of mine, maybe four out of a hundred.

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Good morning. You're on the air.

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Yeah, thank you. I had a question. I noticed that he referred to Carlos.

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Carlos was a definite heavy pay-out user,

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and I wondered how can you relate his visions when he was, so we say, stone to UFOs?

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What I was getting at, and the reason I was saying it was because of the descriptions or similarities,

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you'll find in there where a fog oozed out, you'll find circular objects involved, strange shape.

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They all match UFO descriptions, and his writings of what he called the ally doesn't match the descriptions of aliens very well.

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There's a definite connection between magic and UFOs, and that's why I mentioned it.

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Yes, but do you have any experience with aliens on this planet? First-hand experience?

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Yes, I do. I'm sorry you said that. He must have made you put you up to it.

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It's pretty this way, all right, because all I can tell you about it is this.

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I have a photograph at home, which is allegedly to be of an alien.

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The gypsy looking and documentation of the photograph includes the police department,

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so I think it's a valid picture of an alien, and it's shown sitting in somebody's living room.

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Have you yourself talked to the police and you checked their stories and confirmed it? How do you do this?

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I mean, it's very easy.

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It takes a lot of paperwork.

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Well, all the evidence disappears, and if you're talking about some kind of phenomenon,

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it's going to be very difficult to check these things.

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So what kind of standards of research do you set for yourself?

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Well, my writing and tracking down stories includes everybody, and I'm serious.

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I've got the letters to prove it. Documentation or checking out stories includes everything from letters to the committee,

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studying the assassinations of Kennedy, letters to certain senators to get information.

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I try every route I possibly can.

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And do you make visits across the country and talk to these people?

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Well, sometimes it depends.

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As long as we're talking about photographs, it's the fact that it's always been very disappointing to me

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that the quality of photographs of UFOs that you'll see in any book on flying saucers, the quality is very bad.

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It could be simply someone who took a picnic plate with the potato salad in the right place

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and threw it into the sky and somebody shot a pool or something.

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They've done it, too.

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I'm sure it's been done. It always has bothered me.

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Do you have...

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Apple pie from life.

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Do you have in your possession some photographs that really appear to be authentic?

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Well, to me, the most authenticated photograph of a UFO is the one that was taken in Spain in 1967,

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because it is the only photograph of a UFO taken by two different people at the same time.

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And now with the new computer process they have, where they check out UFO photographs by running it through the computer,

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and the computer shows up whether there is something else, whether it's solid or whether it's just a pie plate.

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And so their new process really separates good photographs from the bad ones.

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And it's a good step forward.

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And it's authentic, at least nothing's been super important on that.

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No, no, no. And you see, it's taken by two different people at two different spots, but it's the same UFO, so that's definitely a good one.

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It separates the good photographs from the potato salad.

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Right.

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If you have any firsthand experience with UFOs and would like to contact Peter Euker, he will be in the Seattle area today.

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And the number is 839-5959.

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839-5959.

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And of course you can by subscription obtain his magazine, The Canadian Psychic Researcher.

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Peter, thank you for joining us in Seattle today.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.